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Ok I wrote a quick blog on FW legends and stories, figured it would be a great tribe subject to start. read some of my memorible moments at
www.fourcredits.net/brett
I am sure you have heard the two stories I told in this blog, I would love to hear if the newer FW students (by that I mean students after I left 1999, had heard these stories or what ones they had heard. YOu know like the old motto of FW was
Do drugs, (sleep with) f* natives, get credit
back in the 80's and stuff
www.fourcredits.net/brett
I am sure you have heard the two stories I told in this blog, I would love to hear if the newer FW students (by that I mean students after I left 1999, had heard these stories or what ones they had heard. YOu know like the old motto of FW was
Do drugs, (sleep with) f* natives, get credit
back in the 80's and stuff
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Re: FW legends
Wed, October 26, 2005 - 10:33 AM"Do drugs, (sleep with) f* natives, get credit -- back in the 80's and stuff"
For what it's worth, I honestly never heard of a motto like that, either official (of course not, but the word "motto" implies it) or as a joke. I was with FW was mid-70s to mid-80s.
Perhaps some people said it among themselves. I can't say they didn't, but it would be a bad joke that doesn't have much to do with the real situation. That wasn't how students got credit. People who jerked off didn't get very far. The journal was a big hurdle, maybe too big. If anything, the "portfolio of learning" was meant to make it easier for people to document their learning.
Not to say sex and drugs weren't happening (probably more often among FWers rather than with locals would be my guess) but students who treated that as the main course wouldn't have much to write about, at least for credit. I can't think of anyone who did that and got very far in FWC.
Also, the word "natives" is pretty derogatory. I don't know who talked like that. It's sort of militaristic empire-speak, isn't it? It's just a stupid joke if it doesn't correspond with reality enough to be funny.
So my guess is that this is a joke that came with the new regime in the '90s, for people telling themselves that the program was much more rigorous than in the "old days." It might reflect a more cavalier attitute toward world education, in an era when overseas programs had become much more common, so there might be some spill-over from those other programs.
The two stories you give in your blog, Brett, are more typical of how people do know a lot about what others are up to and experiences they've had on opposite ends of the earth. There's also a fair amount of written communication which tends to ensure some accuracy on the more sensational events. -
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Re: FW legends
Wed, October 26, 2005 - 12:40 PMSorry if I offened you, its just a motto I heard from a alumni, who said it was a jokingly said motto used in the past. It was just using it as an example of the oral histories/saying that I have heard passed down. But putting it in there did exactly what I wanted it to do, grab your attention.
As for the word natives, I think it depends on how you view the word. Being overly PC sometimes has its draw back and restricts people from sharing certain ideas. I would consider my self at native of my hometown and state. It only become deragatory if you use it in a demeaning way. I feel that words are subjective to how they are interpreted.
I know during my years in FW I saw a lot of drugs and quite a bit of sex. Not to mention quite a few students who did not put much effort in getting credit for their work. FW was what you made of it. In the end, one only had to answer to themselves as to whether they felt they had achived all they wanted to with FW. Many times I find myself romantizing FW, when I knew full well there were serious problems with the program and what it allowed and did not allow. I had to come to the conclusion that I would not have change anything, be it good or bad on a academic or personal level with FW.
On a final note I would love to hear some of the oral history that you have in FW. The late 70's and early 80's are times that we don't hear much about. -
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Re: FW legends
Wed, October 26, 2005 - 5:38 PMI'm not offended. I can't speak for everyone, anyway. Maybe there were some who called that their motto.
This was before the cliche PC, actually. We didn't avoid the word because it was "politically incorrect" but just because it didn't communicate what we were thinking. And I don't mean we avoided it completely, but it related to the colonial viewpoint which at the time was in the not so distant past, and I suppose (depending where we were in the world) we might have used it to refer to that viewpoint.
It would be interesting to go through old journals, to see if it was ever used, and if so how so. Any idea whatever happened to those journals? Last I heard, they were piled up in boxes under the windmill at Southhampton campus, what was left of them... -
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Re: FW legends
Wed, October 26, 2005 - 7:25 PMI agree with you, kirk. I think must have been more of a tongue-in-cheek saying for when people were feeling particularly embittered about the FW experience. I don't think I'd ever heard it before, and certainly not with any seriousness attached.
I wish I had my old journals, I made the mistake of losing some of my personal copies, and due to technical difficulties at the Kenya center, I handed in one of my best journals entirely handwritten (talk about a hand cramp). I think it would be fascinating to have an online database of all of the journals. I'd love to even have a dusty week alone in whatever basement they're in just reading them all. -
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Re: FW legends
Thu, October 27, 2005 - 8:26 AMThe journals had a room when I left SOuthampton in 1999, but now that the NAC is at the Brooklyn Campus, who knows. And as for your journal in Kenya, I have no idea where all that stuff went, I was thinking about that the other day, Its probably still sitting in Kai on a shelf in the library. I was smart, I took all my journals before I left, except my NAC ones, those stayed. but maybe yours got sent to the NAC too, it should have been. Most were sent or transported by students back to the NAC. -
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Re: FW legends
Thu, October 27, 2005 - 9:11 AMTwo legends I remember hearing about (maybe Kirk would know about these) was 1) a student at Kai who leaned too far into the coffee bean washing machine and was literally scalped and almost died. The other was a woman who was in a horrible matatu crash that killed 10+ people and she walked out relatively unscathed.
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Re: FW legends
Thu, October 27, 2005 - 1:27 PMI was at Kai in '80 when a student had most of her scalp pulled off. She had long hair, which got caught on some moving/spinning part of a machine, so it wasn't that she "leaned too far into the coffee bean washing machine," as far as I recall. But I wasn't right there and I never quite understood how it happened. Her scalp was still attached at the back side and it went back on her head under bandages. Blessedly, someone had just driven up to Kai when it happened, which was unusual that there would be a vehicle so promptly available.
I remember riding down into Machakos in a pickup with a load of people from Katheka Kai, just a little after she went down there to the clinic/hospital, praying for her and thinking hopefully that I had read of settlers on the American frontier who had been scalped and had lived. Yes, she did live. I think they took her to Nairobi pretty quickly, to a modern hospital there.
I thought of her with regard to this thread, before you brought it up, Ross, and found her web page at a college where she now teaches African historical studies. It seems a little weird to mention her name and give the link here, but yes she went on and is alive and well.
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Re: FW legends
Sun, October 30, 2005 - 8:38 AMA little update on the journal situation:
I keep meaning to post this, but you know how things go. I was at the graduation ceremony for Friends World College in May, because my best friend from my old FW days was graduating, and because it was the last Southampton College FW graduation, as the NAC was moving to the LIU Brooklyn campus that summer.
My friend and I (Becky Harris) tried to go and track down our journals that used to sit in bookshelves lining the walls of the "comfy room," as we used to call it. Well..... the journals were nowhere to be found! Not only that, but the so- called comfy room was returned to a state of normalcy that was heartbreaking: No more bookshelves, no more crazy paintings on the walls, no more couches.... just desks and what I'm sure was ALOT of white paint to cover up the evidence that FWers used to own that space. *Sigh* ..... so, so, sad.
So, back to the journals : I feel like there was a rumor that the journals were being shipped down to Costa Rica, where the first year program is now located. I can't imagine how expensive it would be to ship them all down there, or why they wouldn't just leave them at Brooklyn. (Allthough as a student in the first year program it was really inspirational to read through those journals, so maybe that's the motivation.)
Anyways, Brett - you WERE smart to take your journals with you, I wish I had done the same!
BTW, I have tons of FW photos that I really need to get around to posting some time soon.
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Re: Where the portfolios are
Fri, December 2, 2005 - 10:10 AMFWIW, Alyssa Stevens, assistant to the Dean (Robert) says that they're still trying to figure out what to do with the old portfolios, and that they're currently in a storage facility in Bridgehampton. -
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Re: Where the portfolios are
Sat, December 3, 2005 - 1:57 AMYikes! Do you know what the options are? I just don't want them to disappear!
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Re: FW legends
Thu, October 27, 2005 - 11:18 AMany grant writers in the group? that would be a great project, to electronicize all of the old journals. I remember sitting with old dusty journals piled up around me, just picking up random ones and opening and reading passages. sooooooooo much fun and invigorating. i would love to do that. ALSO iomi and I have been thinking that we should AT LEAST have an electronic site where we can post our theses. I feel like we did so much research and analysis and good work on our theses and yet don't have a mechanism to share them with the world (i for one am way too lazy to work on getting mine published). Any tech saavy people have any ideas about how to go about doing this? It would be a great marketing tool for the college aswell -
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Re: FW legends
Fri, October 28, 2005 - 7:37 AMI put on of my journals online about 7-8 years ago, I should see if it is still around or not.
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Digitizing old portfolios
Fri, December 2, 2005 - 6:32 AMDon't take this as anything but enthusiasm for the idea, but this is actually an old plan that's been taken up and dropped a few times. When I was Student Exec (93-94), we got as far as agreeing that what would be really useful would be a comprehensive index by topic, format, location, etc. of all the portfolios, and somewhere in the archives is probably still by pencil-and-paper start at this, which earned me a reputation for several years as "the guy who read all the journals" (in fact, I only got through about a third of them...). :-)
A year or so later, one of the Council of Overseers (the functional heir to the old FWC Board of Trustees, but with no actual power), Ken Komoski, tried to get a project started to digitize the portfolio library through scanning and OCR (which of course doesn't deal with non-typed ones, but still), but I don't think it ever got past the planning stage.
I think one of the places where the idea stalled was (cringe) over the intellectual property idea, and how to deal with people potentially copying the work if the owner didn't want that (which would be hard to nail down to start with, given the number of past students and the known difficulty of tracking them down).
Anyway, just another 2c on the idea of digitizing the library of portfolios, which is still a great idea.
Jonathan
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Re: FW legends
Thu, December 1, 2005 - 3:06 PMI was reading this entry and flooded with memories! When I was at the Huntington Campus, I was working in the library and I got into a discussion of the journals with the librarian, I may be forgetting his name I think it was Simon? Anyway, he told me about a journal that was written in the early to mid-eighties by a guy who was studying in India. He did an anthropological study of prostitutes and brothels in India and got his research by using the prostitutes and brothels. I think that he was a visiting student but I'm not sure, but that is where the 'motto'- Do drugs, sleep with the natives & get credit - came from. This student was also doing some serious drugs there as well.
I do agree that anyone who was doing drugs and just sleeping with anyone whereever they were didn't get far. I started with a class of 47 and I think five of us graduated - and it was because alot of people couldn't handle the work, the responsibility or the constant culture shock that you put yourself through. But, that 'motto' was around when I was at FWC and does come from a student doing essentially what the motto states, and he did get credit. The journal was there and I did see it.
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