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Hey all, it has been really dead in here, I am amazed to thing that a hundred some FWers have nothing to share, we are FWers for pete sake, our lives are some of the most interesting on the planet! Well as for me I finally gonna finish my degree that I started from FW. I graduate from Evergreen at the end of the month. Yeah. Now I can get a real job, right? ANyway hope to hear what everyone else is up to soon.
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Tue, March 14, 2006 - 12:27 PMoooo, i too (fingers crossed) am finally going to get my diploma. I finished up a while ago, but owed LIU money, then they were about to sue me, and I found a way to pay up for the "advising semester" that I "had" to take in order to hand in my diploma. $2,000 just to hand it in, with no advising whatsoever!! I know you all feel my pain. So, now I've been told that they are ordering the diploma. I am hopeful that this will lift my anxiety. Yeah, right. -
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Tue, March 14, 2006 - 3:35 PMEwww, that happened to me too, I had to pay for an advisment semester with no advisment too, lol. LIU sucks! -
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Tue, March 14, 2006 - 6:18 PMYup. Same thing happened to me. But I did get some advising at least. -
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Still no degree 8 years later!!!
Wed, March 15, 2006 - 6:33 AMStill no degree 8 years later….
There is something very wrong when this many of us have had this problem….
Here is my story in brief:
I transferred to FWP as a sophomore. After 3 years with FWP with some very difficult experiences while attending (leaving me with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) I have yet to graduate. I had an advisor my senior semester that had no experience working with a seniors.
My final semester the LAC approved a field project for me in Guatemala. I went and tried to carry out field research just one year after the war had ended and was told by the US embassy to go back to Costa Rica for safety reasons. I received no support to finish my project/thesis even after staying on for 3 months after my last semester trying to finish up. This was a huge let down and continues to this day to affect me emotionally and professionally.
I secured a lawyer and tried to confront LIU in 1999-2000. They did not respond and I did not have the energy or resources to fight. Then when Robert Glass became Dean I requested a meeting with him. I met with him 2 years ago and told him my whole story including being sexually assaulted while in care of the school (which was swept under the rug with many others). I received no emotional support, which led to PTSD. Then being sent into very unsafe conditions in Guatemala greatly aggravated my PTSD. After my best efforts to graduate I did not. At the time Dean Glass seemed understanding and sympathetic (while not admitting any wrong doing on the part of FWP). We discussed how I could graduate and agreed that I write up 30 pages.
I started on the topic of ‘Student Safety” which we discussed at the meeting was a “theme” in my FWP years. When I started it brought back the trauma I had experienced unnecessarily. I shut down emotionally and went on with my life. Then a few months ago I contacted Dean Glass and said I was ready to write but not on student safety issues. I was essentially told it was too late and the only option I have is to pay for an advising semester or move to NYC for a capstone semester! At age 30 with $37,000.00 in student loans this is not even a possibility nor should I have to pay for what I never received to begin with!
I was told that I could petition World Council if I disagreed. Well, it turns out that not only is Dean Glass a part of World Council so is the advisor that did not support me back in 1998. So there is no way I could have a fresh review of my situation.
I have no words to tell you how horrible all this has been. Yes, I have some good memories of FWP but until this is settled I feel I am stuck emotionally and professionally. It limits my ability to go on to graduate school and how do I explain at interviews why I did not graduate? Bottom line is I should not have to and this is a really unjust situation. How ironic is this for a school focused on Social Justice. What would the founders of Friends World have thought of this?
So this sharing was prompted by reading of others not finishing and having to pay even more to do so. If anyone has any feedback that is personal you can email me at alexandramello@comcast.net -
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Re: Still no degree 8 years later!!!
Tue, November 7, 2006 - 2:19 PMRemember what the I Ching says - Perseverence furthers... meaning, go ahead and appeal to the council - there are other members on it and they may well prevail, just try not to use your appeal as a bludgeon on the members who you feel have let you down - just present the facts as unemotionally as possible. Without being threatening, you might indcate that if your appeal fails, then you will have no recourse other than to turn to the agency that gives the school the legal ability to grant degrees (I can't remember what that agency is called in NY). If thye get these kinds of complaints, it affects the entire college's ability to operate, and it would be easier for them to give you what you want than to go through that. Good luck. Kristina
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Wed, September 6, 2006 - 7:58 PMAtleast Evergreen shouldn't have spelling mistakes on their Diplma because I got a Bachelors of Aarts from FW. I framed it and occasionally chuckle when the Aarts catches my eye. I was going to send it back and ask they reprint it but then I thought no it's too perfect I must keep it. -
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Thu, September 7, 2006 - 9:22 AMOh my god that's hilarious. -
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Fri, September 8, 2006 - 9:40 AMYeah thats pretty * funny. -
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Thu, November 9, 2006 - 7:11 PMI was a Friends Worlder who went on to finish at Evergreen too (class of 2000). They accepted all my credits no questions asked and let me graduate in one year. It was nice to be in one spot and have a kitchen for a little bit after so much traveling. The scenery was nice too! Maybe Friends World and Evergreen should have partnered up instead of the FWC - LIU alliance. Their educational philosophies are so much more in line. -
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Fri, November 10, 2006 - 8:38 AMI had the same experiance at Evergreen, the took me in last minute and took all my credits. Luckly I am from the Olympia area WA State resident, so got the benefits of going to a state school and all the finacial perks that go with it. I finished in a year with Evergreen and even got to go to Chile for a quarter. I really found Evergreen to be a great place to finish up after FW. I was more prepared for Evergreen by going to FW first. FW taught me to question things more analitically. So when I got to Evergreen, I was able to interject my world experiances into the class room with many students who had never truly experianced many of the ideas they were talking about. I found that a lot of students at Evergreen had trouble thinking outside of their book ideas sometimes, simply because they had never had the opportunity to see many of these ideas in action. I was stunned at the lack of interest to study overseas from Evergreen students. Many students were simply not interested in going away for a quarter, let alone a year or more. This surprised me, why wouldn't you take up such an opportunity? In the end I am glad that I was able to finally graduate from Evergreen. Having started at FW and then finishing at Evergreen was perfect. If people ask were I went to school, I always speak of FW first and then say I finished up at Evergreen, since I know I gained ten times more from my experiance at FW than at Evergreen. But in the end, Evergreen taught me just how much I had actually learned at FW. -
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Fri, November 10, 2006 - 11:35 AMI would have transferred to Evergreen if only my high school had gotten them my transcripts in time. I thought it would be the perfect place for me. And no kidding the scenery is beautiful. But anyplace you go after FWC you question more and are more self-directed. That served me even at the VERY traditional University of Colorado where I ended up. All things happen for a reason. I married one of the first people I met when I moved here (more than 13 years married!) and have sayed in one place longer than I ever had before in my life. -
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Sat, November 11, 2006 - 6:06 PMI think it is a great idea for all FWers to spend at least one year at anothr institution. I went away after my first year feeling very undecided about FWC, and after one year at a very traditional university I came back to FWC with renewed comittment and as a result graduated with an amazing degree and experience. But it doesn't take a lot out in this crazy world to have you start questioning your studies there I found. if you need it go away and do it - you may just end up returning with the motivation to succeed.
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Fri, February 2, 2007 - 11:42 PMI just received a letter in the mail saying that indeed I have graduated from Friends World. It's not the official diploma or anything, but at least I have documentation for the lawyers...hopefully it won't come to that. I have LOVED FW because I did all independent study, never even meeting my advisor or more than 10 other students. It has worked for me. I would even continue with the format if they had a PhD program, but there sure are negatives for all the freedom, mainly dealing with the administration.
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Tue, January 9, 2007 - 1:39 AMYeah, I got to do a bunch of credits through community college... before returning and finishing up in Ghana and then back in the U.S. for my thesis. Still waiting for the diploma though! Life is still taking me all over the place, hard to encapsulate here.
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Wed, January 31, 2007 - 5:48 PMHi Brett,
I'm here too! I just had a baby girl in December! I named her Seneca Lily Bristol. I named her after the Seneca Falls Convention of 1848 - the first women's rights convention in the USA. -
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Wed, January 31, 2007 - 7:31 PMThat Great Mary,
Long time since I spoke with you. Drop me a line sometime. I was just thinking about you the other day and how you would wear your key on a rubberband around your wrist so you would not loose it. Congradulations on the new little one, we love babies, or at least I do.
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Fri, February 9, 2007 - 5:00 PMI am out there! It's so funny to read about all the FWP people who went to Evergreen as I am another GREENER. Funny because I knew since before I went to FWP that I would end up at Evergreen. Too bad FWP is not Evergreen because I didn't finish my Master's thesis in time but they still listed me as a alumni before I actually graduated! My advise is FWP and Evergreen are sister schools in philosophy--LEAVE FWP ..they are so disorganized and fucked adminstratively that I always struggled with them. AND now they want to change the NAME because of recruiting problems---do they wonder why?? they are open for comment right now and I've called to complain about their staffing--Can you say the worst directors ever (Barbara Stein-EAC)??
Also side note Brett ---I'm project managing a LEED certified mixed use building in downtown Oly on Capitol lake...I'm in town more often and i want to visit the farm!!! Are you around??
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Fri, February 9, 2007 - 5:58 PMAm I around, of course. That is awsome. My brother and I have just incoperated our design business and going gang busters. Would love to have you out to the farm sometime. If you are in town on a Sunday, you can come to Sunday dinner on the compound, its always good. Drop me an email sometime.
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Fri, March 23, 2007 - 2:14 PMHey Brett, are you the fellow who knows Angelica Broman, and if so would you know how to contact her...Dave Ridgeway -
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Fri, March 23, 2007 - 4:52 PMI can, I am going to see her In September (tickets are bought) send me an email here in tribe with your email and I will send it to her.
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